ViroMan's Beta Application
Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:54 AM
Posted 02 June 2011 - 02:26 AM
The last few years we had asked many times if users would like to contribute to the project, a programmer was a paramount need, we made some progress but it has stalled once again. I'm sure if you get something going you will find beta testers. We'll leave it up to you, just touch base and let the community know if you have plans to move forward or not
Posted 02 June 2011 - 04:17 AM
Well as I said... it would use the scripts you guys already have so that there wouldn't need to be any changes. We will need to get the scripts updated as you have said that no one is keeping them up. Ill throw another alpha program together just to get things to "work" then I will cruse the suggestions area to see what I might want to put in.
Later once that is finished we will see about scripts and if we can make them more streamlined. From what I read I can see the scripts can get complicated to read. They read like an ini file. Some things are intuitive others are not. Modules have extra txt that is not necessary .. such as
[OfficeComponents] Word=ANY Excel=ANY PowerPoint=ANY Outlook=ANY Publisher=ANY Visio=ANY Project=ANY OneNote=ANY FrontPage=ANY InfoPath=ANY Access=ANY SharePointDesigner=ANY Groove=ANY
[Installation] [Removal] [Slipstream]
these lines are not needed if they are not needed. I mean that if there is nothing there or it is not applicable to that module there is no reason for it to be there.
after thought, What happened to the other programmers... I remember there being like 4-5 of them. I sure people would drift in and out as interest is lost but, to loose the main author too?
ha there seems to be a few dos commands in the scripts... lolz.
Edited by ViroMan, 02 June 2011 - 04:46 AM.
Posted 02 June 2011 - 05:08 AM
Posted 02 June 2011 - 01:52 PM
I'm confident the user base will look forward to anything you have to contribute and it will be appreciated. I don't want to jump the gun, you may not care to join but, if it makes sense and your idea moves forward we can update your account to BetaTeam and then Developer. Again, we'll take it a step at a time, there's no pressure here.
Posted 02 June 2011 - 07:31 PM
well what I meant were that they were empty areas. If an area is empty... it doesn't need to be there. I might as well have made a [I love cats] area and it would have been just as useful.
the link you gave me for that file just brings me back to the main forum page.
Edited by ViroMan, 02 June 2011 - 07:33 PM.
Posted 02 June 2011 - 08:14 PM
Also, if you should get something going with your app and you want to post screenshots, there is an issue with image attachments, they wont load, so I would suggest an external site like KwikPiks or imgFTW.
Posted 02 June 2011 - 09:58 PM
it is. if required, i still have the full sources for both, but it is/was at autopatcher ftp. i don't remember right now, but it was in a folder with my name. i've lost the password for it in an hd crash, so i don't have it anymore to check
this one was added when antonis had one of the dumbests ideas that i ever saw: remove the /nobackup option, that was helping a lot to decrease the install time in slow computers. this could be removed, but one problem: the tweaks. the removal will work only if the .apf are renamed to .reg. also, i bet that certain users will freeze just because that
this surely was the dumbest idea above all. this feature works, but everything remains uncompressed. also, antonis retired from the project at that time and never had updated the code to fix that issue. also, none documentation was done about it and i'm sure that this works only because i've tested it in try and error mode. the result? due the size of the updates for xp, the usage of this feature creates an folder bigger than an cd if you select only the critical updates. with all of them it becomes a lot worst and doesn't work for all updates
Posted 02 June 2011 - 10:02 PM
I already started some work on the new code... got a basic interface to choose things to download(nothing to choose yet since parsing code isn't complete), some of the parsing code is done, the link you gave me tells me I got more code to add tho.
Think I will include an auto 7zip option to store the downloads into 7z files at cd or dvd size for portability.
testing Some images of the basic GUI
I think they fixed your image problem unless it is only visible to the owner...
Edited by ViroMan, 02 June 2011 - 10:17 PM.
Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:00 PM
You have the images hosted which works, if you were to add the images to your post, the created thumbnail would do nothing when clicked. As far as I know this has not been fixed yet - See Here!
BTW, have you used the latest AutoPatcher and APUP, and what is your primary OS?
Right now most of the work is in the scripts and modules, building the folder structure, and the ability to combine multiple releases and have them appear in AutoPatcher in a nice organized manner. I'm not sure if some of this functionality could be hard coded in the app making the need for an apm file a thing of the past.
Anyway, looks good
Posted 02 June 2011 - 11:37 PM
Get the program to download the scripts and follow its directions to the letter. Basically a replacement of the current downloader.
Replace/Fix AutoPatcher... if need be.
Create a program to manage modules for the dev team or advanced user.
Update downloader to be more intelligent instead of blindly following the scripts.
I will probably remove the the folder structures and combining of releases due to the module manager handling the combining and the downloader creating the directory structure. I would still probably leave the code in there to support the commands though for what ever reason we might need them.
Appearing in AutoPatcher in a nice organized manner shouldn't be hard to do.
if Cristiano could get the source for the programs it would greatly speed things along. If I remember right, I have VB somewhere, I could load the source in and see what I can do. Didn't really like the VB IDE.
Primary OS is XP x64 sp3 but I also have XP x86 SP3 installed.
I havn't used the latest autopatcher since... last year I believe. I was gana use it recently when I noticed the forum died and then posted about helping.
Anything else you need to know?
obviously the pics are the work in progress for the gui it probably wont look like that towards the end of alpha. If you have comments on what you see... please post them.
Edited by ViroMan, 02 June 2011 - 11:41 PM.
Posted 03 June 2011 - 01:00 AM
so please, check your pms and have fun
Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:02 PM
Now that Cristiano has given over the source (thanks for letting me know) you can refactor that code and maybe add additional features. If you can, recompile this time and add the manifest files so the buttons look nicer than the old ugly square style.
Posted 03 June 2011 - 11:46 PM
Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:22 AM
anyways... been back for a few hours. I looked around the house before I left and I still can't seem to find my VB hmm... Im tempted to download a copy since I know I had a legit copy.
anyways looking at some of the source I see its not all that complicated actually. It seems that it can be ported to Borland and compiled with a little bit of rework.
Thankfully borland allows me to compile most dependencies into the executables so we could get rid of a few files since borland has its own functions of them(which will compile into the executable). I could even get rid of the need for the 7z executable but I think ill keep that in. the 3.4mb in the bin location can go away since all of that would be wasted space... in essence I can reduce the update program to 2-4 files while saving space.
Apup2.exe (The executable)
7za.exe (7z I actually could compile it into the program using (7zip source) if we want but, ehh)
aamd532.dll (this is nice. I could use this instead of making my own and testing over and over)
Apup.ini (I like to store info in ini files rather then in win registry)
Edited by ViroMan, 07 June 2011 - 12:38 AM.
Posted 07 June 2011 - 01:24 AM
I hate to mention this but I better now rather than wait. I know you're kidding when you mention 'pirate IDE' and 'I'm tempted to download a copy...' but we have a 'zero tolerance' policy about warez, and the project expects team members to have Genuine tools. I would say at this point make it work with Borland since you have a license. I hope you understand, Microsoft already hassled the project once, we don't need a second fight
Posted 07 June 2011 - 02:17 AM
As for supporting any version of windows it should be easy. All I have to do so find the appropriate registry keys and api calls.
Edited by ViroMan, 07 June 2011 - 02:20 AM.
Posted 07 June 2011 - 02:47 AM
Anyway, we're all looking forward to what you come up with it will surely move the project forward and hopefully give it new life.
Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:14 AM
grr... why did they make it in VB anyways.. its crap... VB not the code... well I guess by extension the code too...
Edited by ViroMan, 07 June 2011 - 08:16 AM.
Posted 07 June 2011 - 11:16 AM
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